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Here is an example of the minimum maven builds one should run to check a small change in xwiki-platform-flamingo-skin-resources: mvn clean install -f xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-flamingo/xwiki-platform-flamingo-skin/xwiki-platform-flamingo-skin-resources -Pquality mvn clean install -f xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-flamingo/xwiki-platform-flamingo-skin/xwiki-platform-flamingo-skin-test -Pintegration-tests,docker The changes are related to the concept of panels, so we also build mvn clean install -f xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-panels/xwiki-platform-panels-test -Pintegration-tests,docker If you're creating a Pull Request (PR), make sure you keep a written records of what tests you ran and to indicate them in the dedicated section of the PR template that must be filled up with details about the builds ran and the tests passed.

Since these 2 projects contain libraries that are independent of the concept of wikis, this makes it very easy for everyone to use them in their own projects.

The changes are related to the concept of panels, so we also build ##mvn clean install -f xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-panels/xwiki-platform-panels-test -Pintegration-tests,docker## If you're creating a Pull Request (PR), make sure you keep a written records of what tests you ran and to indicate them in the dedicated section of the PR template that must be filled up with details about the builds ran and the tests passed

09:54 <Denis> for the same reason 09:55 <vmassol> it's your impl that is not going to work 09:55 <vmassol> not the concept 09:55 <vmassol> it just means the impl is not correct 09:55 <Denis> its is for speed and memory 09:55 <vmassol> yes but I doubt that it's a problem 09:55 <Denis> the implementation from Andreas were even worse 09:56 <vmassol> we defiintley need to be able to add and rmoeve rights 09:56 <vmassol> so if the impl cannot do we shouldn't even consider it 09:56 <vmassol> since it's not fulfulling the main reason for the new impl 09:56 <Denis> we could remove rights, but a singe run will keep them 09:56 <vmassol> I'm dispapointed 09:56 <Denis> untill restart 09:57 <vmassol> couldn't you at least keep holes?

09:54 <Denis> for the same reason 09:55 <vmassol> it's your impl that is not going to work 09:55 <vmassol> not the concept 09:55 <vmassol> it just means the impl is not correct 09:55 <Denis> its is for speed and memory 09:55 <vmassol> yes but I doubt that it's a problem 09:55 <Denis> the implementation from Andreas were even worse 09:56 <vmassol> we defiintley need to be able to add and rmoeve rights 09:56 <vmassol> so if the impl cannot do we shouldn't even consider it 09:56 <vmassol> since it's not fulfulling the main reason for the new impl 09:56 <Denis> we could remove rights, but a singe run will keep them 09:56 <vmassol> I'm dispapointed 09:56 <Denis> untill restart 09:57 <vmassol> couldn't you at least keep holes?

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Ideally at some point I believe we should have a "hidden" filter that hide everything with the concept or hidden whatever (probably trough some extension point) 15:38 <ldubost> has joined #xwiki 15:39 <vmassol> BTW what is a 'hidden' space?

Ideally at some point I believe we should have a "hidden" filter that hide everything with the concept or hidden whatever (probably trough some extension point) 15:38 <ldubost> has joined #xwiki 15:39 <vmassol> BTW what is a 'hidden' space?

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XD 17:03 <gdelhumeau> I also like the fact that there is no new concept to learn regarding the wiki organisation, "just like my harddrive" 17:03 <cjd> one sec 17:04 <tmortagne> gdelhumeau: that's what you have in the XAR right now, a folder per space and each document is a file ;) 17:05 <tmortagne> which remain me that we did not talked about changes to make to the XAR format to support nested spaces... 17:05 <gdelhumeau> and in webdav too 17:05 <tmortagne> well not exactly 17:05 <gdelhumeau> tmortagne: and the REST API should be updated too 17:05 <tmortagne> each document is a folder actually with a file for each kind of data 17:05 <vmassol1> regarding FS, you should also consider the MS idea that all files are all flat and directories are just views/tags, so a file can be in several directories at the same time… 17:06 <tmortagne> gdelhumeau: it's less an issue for REST at worst you put the complete space reference in the URL 17:06 <tmortagne> but in XAR format you need to support space and page that might have the same name 17:06 <vmassol1> indeed tmortagne, adding the XZR format change to the list of tasks 17:08 <vmassol1> done: T21 and T22 17:08 <vmassol1> is now known as <vmassol> 17:35 <cjd> +1 re vmassol, directories as views is an interesting idea, I'm a little bit worried that it will prove to have usability issues but it's something we can watch MS on and see what they do.... 17:36 <vmassol> they've done this years ago AFAIR 17:36 <vmassol> can't recall the name, need to google for it 17:36 <cjd> was it successful ?

XD 17:03 <gdelhumeau> I also like the fact that there is no new concept to learn regarding the wiki organisation, "just like my harddrive" 17:03 <cjd> one sec 17:04 <tmortagne> gdelhumeau: that's what you have in the XAR right now, a folder per space and each document is a file ;) 17:05 <tmortagne> which remain me that we did not talked about changes to make to the XAR format to support nested spaces... 17:05 <gdelhumeau> and in webdav too 17:05 <tmortagne> well not exactly 17:05 <gdelhumeau> tmortagne: and the REST API should be updated too 17:05 <tmortagne> each document is a folder actually with a file for each kind of data 17:05 <vmassol1> regarding FS, you should also consider the MS idea that all files are all flat and directories are just views/tags, so a file can be in several directories at the same time… 17:06 <tmortagne> gdelhumeau: it's less an issue for REST at worst you put the complete space reference in the URL 17:06 <tmortagne> but in XAR format you need to support space and page that might have the same name 17:06 <vmassol1> indeed tmortagne, adding the XZR format change to the list of tasks 17:08 <vmassol1> done: T21 and T22 17:08 <vmassol1> is now known as <vmassol> 17:35 <cjd> +1 re vmassol, directories as views is an interesting idea, I'm a little bit worried that it will prove to have usability issues but it's something we can watch MS on and see what they do.... 17:36 <vmassol> they've done this years ago AFAIR 17:36 <vmassol> can't recall the name, need to google for it 17:36 <cjd> was it successful ?

or … maybe the breadcrumb could display there is an alternative :) …. anyway we could think of a solution - but again this would mean making the feature more visible. 16:19 <tmortagne> yes it's a wiki level config I think 16:19 <vmassol> (to take into account the farm mode) 16:20 <vmassol> evalica: we could have refinements later on but I think for now a param would be good 16:20 <vmassol> just need to agree on the name now 16:20 <vmassol> forceTerminal is not really the goal of this param 16:21 <vmassol> this param will be here to disable to automatic redirect when entering a space url 16:21 <evalica> well depends if you want to have a param that contains the word 'space' although we are deprecating the concept 16:21 <tmortagne> spaceRedirect is not very nice but it's the most accurate I can think of 16:22 <vmassol> @evalica: we're not deprecating the concept 16:22 <vmassol> :) 16:22 <vmassol> only in the UI 16:22 <vmassol> for ex the REST URL will still contain /spaces/ too 16:23 <vmassol> since it('s a technical param I don't see it as a problem that it contains "space" 16:23 <tmortagne> yes it's not really a problem since the param itself does not make any sense without space concept 16:24 <evalica> I'm +0 16:24 <tmortagne> (you would not have non terminal vs terminal page in a real nested documents environment) 16:25 <vmassol> Enygma`: wdyt?

or … maybe the breadcrumb could display there is an alternative :) …. anyway we could think of a solution - but again this would mean making the feature more visible. 16:19 <tmortagne> yes it's a wiki level config I think 16:19 <vmassol> (to take into account the farm mode) 16:20 <vmassol> evalica: we could have refinements later on but I think for now a param would be good 16:20 <vmassol> just need to agree on the name now 16:20 <vmassol> forceTerminal is not really the goal of this param 16:21 <vmassol> this param will be here to disable to automatic redirect when entering a space url 16:21 <evalica> well depends if you want to have a param that contains the word 'space' although we are deprecating the concept 16:21 <tmortagne> spaceRedirect is not very nice but it's the most accurate I can think of 16:22 <vmassol> @evalica: we're not deprecating the concept 16:22 <vmassol> :) 16:22 <vmassol> only in the UI 16:22 <vmassol> for ex the REST URL will still contain /spaces/ too 16:23 <vmassol> since it('s a technical param I don't see it as a problem that it contains "space" 16:23 <tmortagne> yes it's not really a problem since the param itself does not make any sense without space concept 16:24 <evalica> I'm +0 16:24 <tmortagne> (you would not have non terminal vs terminal page in a real nested documents environment) 16:25 <vmassol> Enygma`: wdyt?

17:42 <sdumitriu> Yes 17:42 <tmortagne> the exact answer would be that GenericProvider is older than the concept of context CM :) but that would certainly cover some use cases that prevent from using Providers right now 17:44 <sdumitriu> So that's something you'd consider a good improvement?

17:42 <sdumitriu> Yes 17:42 <tmortagne> the exact answer would be that GenericProvider is older than the concept of context CM :) but that would certainly cover some use cases that prevent from using Providers right now 17:44 <sdumitriu> So that's something you'd consider a good improvement?

11:55 <gdelhumeau> the space concept should be hidden in the UI normally 11:55 <vmassol> Enygma`: the alternative is to implement a tree switcher 11:56 <vmassol> (which could be useful) 11:56 <gdelhumeau> and we should create a page admin instead 11:56 <gdelhumeau> when we'll have the page administration the functionnal tests abour space admin wil not be usefull anymore 11:56 <vmassol> I don't see what harm it would do to be able to switch admin page from within the admin 11:57 <vmassol> gdelhumeau: most failing tests are not about that 11:57 <vmassol> hmm maybe they ayre 11:57 <vmassol> *are 11:58 <evalica> since space administration is now 'page administration', the administration should be available in the 'More actions' part of the menu.

16:00 <vmassol> getWikiId has even been introduced in 6.1 16:00 <vmassol> 6.1M1 16:00 <vmassol> xcontext is not deprecated 16:01 <vmassol> so we need to decide if wiki script module is core or not 16:01 <vmassol> (ie it has to be in a most minimal wiki we can make) 16:03 <vmassol> if we say that the wiki concept is core then I guess we should also have it in the core so that velocity pages can using wiki apis 16:03 <gdelhumeau> indeed 16:04 <vmassol> velo scripting that is 16:04 <vmassol> api.XWiki is core ATM so I guess it makes sense that wiki SS should be too 16:17 <vmassol> ok mail ready, sending 16:18 <Enygma`> because we come from a single wiki setup *and* because oldcore is... old and should not be extended, the wiki API is bundled in a separate module and accessible to scripting through a script service, but that does not mean that is does not make it core 16:18 <vmassol> it means we didn't have to make it core 16:18 <vmassol> because it was nicely done separately 16:18 <vmassol> w're just loosing this advnatage 16:18 <Enygma`> it was done separately out of necessity 16:18 <vmassol> it's a bet that we won't need it, which is ok, just makes xwiki more heavywieght as it could be 16:19 <Enygma`> but conceptually it should have been there from the start, IMO 16:19 <vmassol> exactly 16:19 <vmassol> and we're loosing that advatnage 16:19 <vmassol> and tomorrow you're going to say that federations of wikis are core too?

11:55 <gdelhumeau> the space concept should be hidden in the UI normally 11:55 <vmassol> Enygma`: the alternative is to implement a tree switcher 11:56 <vmassol> (which could be useful) 11:56 <gdelhumeau> and we should create a page admin instead 11:56 <gdelhumeau> when we'll have the page administration the functionnal tests abour space admin wil not be usefull anymore 11:56 <vmassol> I don't see what harm it would do to be able to switch admin page from within the admin 11:57 <vmassol> gdelhumeau: most failing tests are not about that 11:57 <vmassol> hmm maybe they ayre 11:57 <vmassol> *are 11:58 <evalica> since space administration is now 'page administration', the administration should be available in the 'More actions' part of the menu.

16:00 <vmassol> getWikiId has even been introduced in 6.1 16:00 <vmassol> 6.1M1 16:00 <vmassol> xcontext is not deprecated 16:01 <vmassol> so we need to decide if wiki script module is core or not 16:01 <vmassol> (ie it has to be in a most minimal wiki we can make) 16:03 <vmassol> if we say that the wiki concept is core then I guess we should also have it in the core so that velocity pages can using wiki apis 16:03 <gdelhumeau> indeed 16:04 <vmassol> velo scripting that is 16:04 <vmassol> api.XWiki is core ATM so I guess it makes sense that wiki SS should be too 16:17 <vmassol> ok mail ready, sending 16:18 <Enygma`> because we come from a single wiki setup *and* because oldcore is... old and should not be extended, the wiki API is bundled in a separate module and accessible to scripting through a script service, but that does not mean that is does not make it core 16:18 <vmassol> it means we didn't have to make it core 16:18 <vmassol> because it was nicely done separately 16:18 <vmassol> w're just loosing this advnatage 16:18 <Enygma`> it was done separately out of necessity 16:18 <vmassol> it's a bet that we won't need it, which is ok, just makes xwiki more heavywieght as it could be 16:19 <Enygma`> but conceptually it should have been there from the start, IMO 16:19 <vmassol> exactly 16:19 <vmassol> and we're loosing that advatnage 16:19 <vmassol> and tomorrow you're going to say that federations of wikis are core too?

19:01 <vmassol> or that comments = xobjects 19:01 <vmassol> etc 19:01 <vmassol> sure, we're talking about NS here not ND 19:02 <vmassol> (create space will not exist by default anymore in ND) 19:03 <OSIMasson> has quit 19:04 <vmassol> "Note that even though we'll remove the Add > Space menu entry in Flamingo, we should still probably continue supporting the create space template action for extension that might call it or simply for other skins which might want to create spaces since the Space concept still exist at the model level." 19:04 <vmassol> so in the default UI we won't see create space 19:07 <vmassol> so to summarize, the fact that a space is implemented as a page should remain an implementation details for me and not exposed in the UI as much as possible. 19:09 <vmassol> (Enygma`) 19:09 <Enygma`> so basically you are proposing that we use a parallel set of labels to apply in this case to the create UI 19:09 <vmassol> yes 19:09 <vmassol> and a different ui 19:10 <vmassol> there are commo parts but they're different uis 19:10 <Enygma`> why?

19:01 <vmassol> or that comments = xobjects 19:01 <vmassol> etc 19:01 <vmassol> sure, we're talking about NS here not ND 19:02 <vmassol> (create space will not exist by default anymore in ND) 19:03 <OSIMasson> has quit 19:04 <vmassol> "Note that even though we'll remove the Add > Space menu entry in Flamingo, we should still probably continue supporting the create space template action for extension that might call it or simply for other skins which might want to create spaces since the Space concept still exist at the model level." 19:04 <vmassol> so in the default UI we won't see create space 19:07 <vmassol> so to summarize, the fact that a space is implemented as a page should remain an implementation details for me and not exposed in the UI as much as possible. 19:09 <vmassol> (Enygma`) 19:09 <Enygma`> so basically you are proposing that we use a parallel set of labels to apply in this case to the create UI 19:09 <vmassol> yes 19:09 <vmassol> and a different ui 19:10 <vmassol> there are commo parts but they're different uis 19:10 <Enygma`> why?